Being an old paper patcher, in the traditional way, i wonder about lubing the bullet and then patching it. If you are planning on smokeless powder then the lee should be okay. There are several ways to lubricate a paper patched bullet. Good morning, first off, i wouldnt recommend paper patch at all unless you can get with one of these guys here that have figured it all out to help you. If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the faq by clicking the. Can i buy or make a lube that i can apply without the luber equipment. Paperpatching your inline muzzleloader western powders. Paul matthews used pp in 4570 marlins and loaded the magazine. I hand lube my 45 70 bullets with the room temp lube hockey puck. I ran the groove portion of the bullet over the edge of the puck like a cheese grader until the grooves were filled. So, i thought i would give a quick explanation on the concept and then show my process. When i first started paper patching bullets i didnt put lube on the patched bullets and didnt hit anything either.
Wolf says accuracy goes to hell with wheel weight bullets in the 4570 rifles. Corbin paper patch and blackpowder bullet swagingreloading. I feed paper patch bullets through tubular magazines in leveraction rifles chambered for the 307 and 356 winchester cartridges along with the 4570. I also wipe my own loaded cartridges with a paper towel before boxing, to prevent dust and dirt from accumulating on. Paper patched bullets are more accurate in my gun but without using a crimp the 76 repeater becomes a single shot.
Therefore the extruded lead alloy wire used in the swaging process normally does not contain tin. After lubing the patch it may be just a bit softer, but i never babied my fixed rounds with pp. With lube on the bullet, and then the patch, i can easily see that either way would be kind of iffy. I have heard of using bore size bullets and i have also heard of using smaller than bore bullets, hopefully one of. All lee mold blocks are made from aluminum because of the exceptional molding qualities. Surplus blockssticks can be wrapped in wax paper, tinfoil or just tossed into a ziplock bag to keep the dust out, and used as needed. Also perrys observation of modern rifle shooting 3rd edition is a treasure trove of info.
Ill let them dry and the patch tighten for a day befor lubing them. Followed by the same questions about how the paper survives in the barrel. And what wold happen if i shot the bullets wout any lube. Place some of the provided patch lube between your thumb and forefinger and twist the bullet, in the same direction the patch is rolled, in the lube. This paper patch bullet paper is imported from america and measures 8 12x11. Come up with a bullet right on 400 gs from 201 might need to let it out a touch to make the 420. Top long range muzzleloading targt shooters of the mid 1800s commonly relied on paperpatched conical bullets. Browse our inventory for various 4570 caliber hard cast lead bullets for reloading. Most of the shooting is done with bullets in the 405 grain to 530 grain range depending on the rate of twist of the rifle. Bhn stands for the brinell hardness number incorrectly spelled brinnell by some. Messy but it worked, maybe 2 hours of tv watching to lube 150 bullets. Whether youre making bulk ammo for plinking, creating the perfect hunting round, or building the best ammunition for a 500 yard shot, midsouth has the right. This article is intended for shooters who are currently loading lubed bullets with either black powder.
Tatv canada in my last article, i wrote about the ageold process of panlubing cast bullets to improve accuracy, and reduce barrel leading. Many folks who panlube opt to purchase their lubricants and theres nothing wrong with that. The only reasons i can see for lubing a pp bullet is when sizing the patched bullet or to help keep the patch from tearing when loading the. I want to try shooting paper patched bullets with black powder, how much undersized does the bullet have to be. That was in an old 7mm rolling block rifle that had a rough barrel. May 17, 2016 a lot of people are curious about paper patching bullets. I also paper patch bullets with fine results, though when using a tubular magazine 1876 winchester 4575 i prefer the powder coating. The idea in pping is to have the patch leave the bullet on exit from the muzzle, or, stay on the bullet all the way to the target. However, i do load and shoot black powder bp charged paper patched bullets ppbs exclusively for my sharps falling block and.
Another point was that the paper should be applied wrapped dry and inserted into a correctly sized case to insure that the patch leaves the bullet at the earliest flight. Bullets for black powder cartridges lyman bullets are crisp castings of hard lead, sized, lubricated, ready for loading. It works well if you can find a buddy that still enjoys casting enough to make a run of soft cast bullets for you to paper patch. If i fiddle using different paper or the reload is not to the liking of the different 4570s, i squeeze the naked bullet with the lee lube sizer. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load data. We describe another method to economically and simply custom fit the bullet to your rifle bore to make your military surplus rifle shoot accurately. He told me that in his younger days they would take 255 grain lead flat point bullets for the 45 colt pistol and paper patch them to use in the 4570 because one of the guys had a bullet mold for them and between them the only other mold they had available was for a 500 grain. Paper cartridges are also in use today by many black powder enthusiasts. Bullet lube ingredients, uses, sources, descriptions. Castability is not a concern with swaged bullets refer to section on paperpatch bullets.
I can sit in front of the tv, watch a program and load up 50 to 100 rather quickly. Now you can cast, or as i do, swage your own bullets and shoot for a lot less. Jul 31, 2018 in my last article, i wrote about the ageold process of panlubing cast bullets to improve accuracy, and reduce barrel leading. Another advocated using powdered graphite rubbed into the patch to provide less friction. I got a few 4570 bullets that need lube old bullets that have lost their original lube. The standard modernrifle approach is to apply a paper patch to a bullet core of ascast or slightly smaller diameter, to dry and lube the patch. Sure has seemed to keep the fouling softer than the spg. If using black powder mix 1 part bees wax and 1 part olive oil install with fingers if you dont want to dip or pan lube the bullets. I fire a 4570 and i have never used any lube at all on the paper patched bullets. I found out the the paper patch left a lot of paper just in front of the chamber and in somecases like a ring of paper there. Bullets for black powder cartridges track of the wolf. Top long range muzzleloading targt shooters of the mid 1800s commonly relied on paper patched conical bullets. Set it down to an inch and a tenth as specified by the sharps catalog.
I too am loading smokeless in my pedersoli sharps 4570. Pp bullets are wrapped with thin, dry paper, there is no lube required the paper is the lube, nor is there any bullet sizing required. The practical paper patch bullet is another book of his and it was replaced by the. It may not be the best way, or even the proper way, but it works for me. Keep your lead moving to get consistent bullets because of this.
Two wraps will increase the diameter of the paper patch bullet about 6 thou depending on method of wrapping. I have heard of using bore size bullets and i have also heard of using smaller than bore bullets, hopefully one of these guys here will kick in some help. My dad uses heavy handgun bullets in his 4570, one time used 348 bullets in his 35 wellen, and one time used 6. Vigilante bullet lube, po box 825, deer lodge, mt 2020. I got a few 45 70 bullets that need lube old bullets that have lost their original lube. But anyways i took 10 of those bullets patched them with the paper mill 9lb. This is done with a lubrisizer, or pan lubing, or dip lubing. I hand lube my 4570 bullets with the room temp lube hockey puck. Browse our inventory for various 45 70 caliber hard cast lead bullets for reloading. When i shot them in the marlin 3855 cowboy, i singleloaded them through the ejection port.
Corbin paper patchblackpower bullet tools corbin swaging. Im hoping it was the lube because i pan lubed them with lyman bullet lube and there was a good. In his march 1977 article paper patched bullets come of age. Snover and postell bullets have a tapered round nose, for long range single shot rifles. As a ammunition manufacture, we load over 400 calibers. Lyman cowboy action bullets are flat point round nose, for lever action rifles, and revolvers. The lanolin is a good high temp, high pressure lube and its sticky. I also paper patch bullets with fine results, though when using a tubular magazine 1876 winchester 45 75 i prefer the powder coating. Because of this, i began this company in the spring of 1990 and have been serving fellow shooters since. Whether you have a sharps, rollingblock, or a hawkin, all can be loaded using the paper patch method. Schmittzer bullets have a pointed spitzer nose, for least. However, i do load and shoot black powder bp charged paper patched bullets ppbs exclusivel. My pioneer products sharps 45 70 adjustable mold original sharps bullet dimensions in 1. If you get a chance get ahold of a copy of ned roberts schuetzen rifle book, theres a lot of good tidbits on paper patch in there.
Gg bullets require lubing filling the grooves with lube. Paper patched bullets a blast from the past sporting shooters. The 45lcs heavier bullets would be good to patch up to be shot in a 45 70 or even in a 45lc. Long distance shooters of large caliber guns like 4570 need bullets that meet the demands of such shooting. My reasoning for power coating is that leading in the bore is completely eliminated. We rely on a quality products, delivery and value for our customers. Pan lubing is a method of lubing bullets and depending on the lube used, you can pan lube for 600 fps target ammo or 1800 fps rifle bullets. Is paper patching real for making bullets untraceable. It helps the lube stick to the bullets, and helps make it better for pan lubing. You will only need enough lube peasized to cover the patch. A variation on the paper patch bullet is the teflon taped bullet.
If you read up on the original creedmoor rifle ammo and competitions, you will find that a lube cookie was placed under the bullet, and no lube was placed on the paper patch. Have also used johnsons paste floor wax for patch lube on the occasions when out of lee case lube. Sep 11, 2016 for the record, this is not my video or gun or cartridge load. One piece of advice was to rub a small amount of lube onto the patched area before seating to assure that you dont tear the patching. The cup base is typically used for paper patched rifle bullets. I also wipe my own loaded cartridges with a paper towel before boxing, to prevent dust and dirt from accumulating on the bullet. I use it to paper patch bullets for my 4570 as the bullet diameter and weight are good for a lighter, flatter shooting deer bullet than the 405 grain jobs. The mold cavities are cnc machined for unmatched roundness and size control. I can safely patch a cast bullet, but i would have some concerns of loosing a patch in the barrel of of a copper jacketed bullet. The patch lube has but one purpose to prevent tearing the patch when the bullet is seated. I had one rifle that was shooting dirt diggers every so often and dan t suggested lubing the paper just before firing. For the record, this is not my video or gun or cartridge load.
Oct 18, 2017 gg bullets require lubing filling the grooves with lube. Acme bullet company manufactures 4570 300 rnfp round nose flat point hard cast bullets and offers a variety of reloading supplies. My dad uses some paper patch in his 4570, and some other rifles. Bullet diameter for 4570 paper patched cartridge shiloh. Smoke this mold, run it hot, and get some bullets on paper. The megamite is especially useful for large bore calibers from. Here are the benefits of shooting paperpatched bullets in your inline. Apr 10, 2016 if you get a chance get ahold of a copy of ned roberts schuetzen rifle book, theres a lot of good tidbits on paper patch in there.
A lot of people are curious about paper patching bullets. I did this and it stopped the low shot and shot so good that it was what got dan interested in trying pp bullets,if the bullets sat though the lube would glue the paper to the bullet so never did it ahead of time. If you use my paper patch lube, make sure that it is as soft as butter when you apply it. Youll only need enough lube to cover the paper patch. Grooves and lube are ok, but might not be necessary. I have received conflicting information on using paper patched bullets in my 4570. Teflon tape seems to work better as a lube and insulator on a full diameter bullet than as a patch on a land diameter bullet. Sold in 100 count box acme bullet company manufactures 4570 350 grain rnfp round nose fla. Company info shop company info buffalo arms company. Most bullets from lee molds can be used as cast without sizing. If you are using black powder in the 4570 you better not use the lee lube it will leave a mess in your barrel.