The word broken down from greek is, a meaning without, and gnosis meaning knowledge. Original manuscript chaper 4 we agnostics alcoholics anonymous alcohol allergy rehabilitation of alcoholics dr. Provided to youtube by cdbaby we agnostics alcoholics anonymous alcoholics anonymous. Aa beyond belief provides a space for agnostics, atheists and freethinkers in alcoholics anonymous to freely share their experience, strength and hope with each other and aa as a. It would be helpful to you as you read along to substitute the word food for alcohol and compulsive eater for alcoholic. May 21, 2008 this has left historians and aa members divided over some important questions. A perspective on we agnostics chapter 4 of the big book. As of december 2009, 30,664,881 copies of the big book have been sold or otherwise distributed source aa gso ny. On january 25, 2018, the we agnostics kansas city aa group held their monthly anniversary meeting. Its main object is to enable you to find a power greater than yourself which will solve your problem. A little ditty on the big book of alcoholics anonymous. Words contained within the first 164 pages of the big book.
Is this the christian god, or can we really take this to mean a god of our own understanding. Mar 27, 2017 a little ditty on the big book of alcoholics anonymous we agnostics. Overview preface preface chapter 1 bills story chapter 2 there is a solution chapter 3 more about alcoholism chapter 4 we agnostics chapter 5 how it works chapter 6 into action chapter 7 working with others chapter 8 to wives chapter 9 the family afterward chapter 10 to employers chapter 11 a vision for you. It is the sharing of our collective experience, strength, hope and wisdom inspired by our reading of this big book together that will make a difference in our recovery. Chapter 4 of the big book, we agnostics, in which bill w argues that recovery requires belief in god, is an insulting mishmash.
To be doomed to an alcoholic death or to live on a spiritual basis are not. The rest of the chapter is devoted to how do you find that power. Home read the big book and twelve steps and twelve traditions alcoholics anonymous alcoholics anonymous this is the fourth edition of the big book. The youtube playlist on the left top on mobile device is from the sahara big book study on thursdays in ansonia, ct at the sahara club. Big book alcoholics anonymous chapter 4 we agnostics pages 44 57. The entire fourth chapter of the aa text, we agnostics, is. How could there possibly be a god when there are so many starving people and wars where everybody says god is on their side. I think this chapter gets ignored quite often, especially by members that feel theyve got a good grasp of the faith business, but it helped me a great deal when i was trying to wrap my brain around step 2. Alcoholism12 step support a perspective on we agnostics chapter 4 of the big book colornavyim not going for this god stuff.
We agnostics is the fourth chapter of alcoholics anonymous, or the fifth if you. Play all mix big book chapter 4youtube aa speakers joe and charlie we agnostics the big book comes alive duration. Chapter 4 we agnostics i n the precedingchapters you have learned something of alcoholism. Our meetings dont include a prayer and for many of us, that makes all the difference. In its chapter, we agnostics, the big book outlines its attitude toward spiritual and religious matters. Reality in big book alcoholics anonymous, 12 steps and 12. Alcoholics anonymous big book video chapter four we agnostics. We agnostics is the fourth chapter of alcoholics anonymous, or the fifth if you include the doctors opinion. This is an open speaker meeting, and on this night, marty k. Basically this is about step 2 of the 12 steps of aa. Alcoholics anonymous chapter 4 we agnostics in the preceding chapters you have learned something of alcoholism. A little ditty on the big book of alcoholics anonymous we agnostics.
Oct 12, 2017 one of many good places to begin is in alcoholics anonymous aka the big book, specifically chapter 4, we agnostics. Aa beyond belief provides a space for agnostics, atheists and freethinkers in alcoholics anonymous to freely share their experience, strength and hope with each other and aa as a whole. The whole rest of the book is devoted to that one subject. Apr 21, 2019 aa big book ch 4 we agnostics 4th edition thegaa03. Remember seven days without a meeting makes one weak. Chapter 4 of the big book is titled we agnostics and explores the meaning of a higher power. It is a very simple procedure and it starts over on page 47. Chapter 2, there is a solution, chapter 3,more about alcoholism, and chapter 4,we agnostics.
Mar 29, 2018 hal, the thing is, maybe we are trying to change aa. In the original big book, bills apologia, we agnostics, assured. By the very act of critiquing chapter 4, we agnostics, i admittedly commit aa heresy. Eda big book ch 4 we agnostics, atheists, and believers eating. Many times we talk to a new man and watch his hope rise as we discuss his alcoholic problems and explain our fellowship. Our goal is to study the steps as a friendly, focused group, and work them as the authors of the big book described. The we agnostics chapter of the big book just got back from a meeting closed discussion where we read this entire chapter and shared on it holy crap what an arrogant, insulting, and condescending way of looking at atheists and agnostics. We hope we have made clear the distinction between the. The entire fourth chapter of the aa text, we agnostics. Thoughts on chapter 4 we agnostics what i mostly got from this one is that god is a requirement of the program. This is the fourth edition of the big book, the basic text for alcoholics anonymous. Reading guide for we agnostics amethyst recovery center. We agnostics in the preceding chapters you have learned something of alcoholism.
What about those sanctimonious church goers who judge me for my sins and then commit their own. Aug 19, 20 this is a long chapter, but like the rest of the big book, the ideas are simple and straightforward. In the preceding chapters you have learned something of alcoholism. Listen to special editions podcasts from the a vision 4 you website. The book alcoholics anonymous, aka the big book, is the basic text for the aa program of sobriety. If, when you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely, or if when drinking, you have little control over the amount you take, you are probably alcoholic. We cant just leave that part out and try to do the other stuff because it wont work. A little ditty on the big book of alcoholics anonymous we. Nov 05, 2015 provided to youtube by cdbaby we agnostics alcoholics anonymous alcoholics anonymous. In the preceding chapters you have learned something.
Apr 05, 2016 there were lots of suggestions good orderly direction, guidance on demand, group of drunks the last being the most popular with agnostics and atheists. Taken from the book alcoholics anonymous frequently called the big book. Hear recovered addict and big book mucker, cameron f. That means we have written a book which we believe to be. This is a long chapter, but like the rest of the big book, the ideas are simple and straightforward. The heart of aa is the ongoing transmission of sobriety from one alcoholic to the. A perspective on we agnostics chapter 4 of the big book im not going for this god stuff. And it means, of course, that we are going to talk about god. The playlist on the right bottom on mobile device is from the seymour big book study on sundays in seymour, ct at the united methodist church of seymour. We agnostics aa is a secular alcoholics anonymous meeting in kansas city. We wish to make the 12 steps of alcoholics anonymous part of our lives by collaborating with a power greater than ourselves an inner knowing, our own.
I think this chapter gets ignored quite often, especially by members that feel theyve got a good grasp of the faith business, but it helped me a great deal when i was trying to wrap my. Chapter 4 we agnostics page 40 for either case, atheist or agnostic, we are going to have to find some way to have this spiritual experience, and to use this power greater than human power. The chapter on we agnostics was often suggested by wellmeaning friends, which can, in essence, be summed up as fake it till you make it. This points the way for the content of this chapter we agnostics.
Silkworth aa big book aa anonymity statement anonymity is the spiritual foundation of all our traditions. Home read the big book and twelve steps and twelve. I know it wont be an overnight thing, or if it will even ever happen, but we have to consider that if aa helps 510%, and there are 15% agnostics in the us population, maybe 2025 among alcoholics, i think we tend to be more of an ungodly bunch, this leaves, give or take, around 70% who are not helped by aa and who are not. It is the basic text of the fellowship of alcoholics anonymous, and has helped large numbers of alcoholic men and women, young and old, recover. Chapter 4 chapter 4 we agnostics in the preceding chapters you have learned something of alcoholism. We hope we have made clear the distinction between the alcoholic and the nonalcoholic.